DP Chat location and rules

[Falconess]

The Devil's Panties chat room currently resides in IRC (internet relay chat). We are located on the server: irc.aniverse.com the channel name is #Devil'sPanties

The rules are as follows:
1. Respect fellow chatters. This is a safe place for all to chat and hang out. If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all. If you have a problem with someone, take it to PM (Private Message)

2. (As per Jennie Breeden) No incest

3. (As per Jennie Breeden) No feces

4. (As per Jennie Breeden) No putting things up the DP characters ..um...parts

5. Obey the Ops. They are there to keep the peace, and if they're telling you to do something, it's probably because you're disturbing the peace. If you have a problem with any one op, leave a message on Angel`Devil, and it will be taken care of (this includes any problems with me).

6. Do not give out anyone's personal information but your own. Any personal information shared should be done in PM. We are not responsible for anything you post in open channel.

Any changes to the rules will posted on this thread. There will be a notice in the topic, if anything changes. It will be your responsibility to read the rules and follow them. These thread is considered your first warning. Your second will be being kicked from the room. If you break the rules again, you will be banned.

[Falconess]

Some IRC clients available to PC users

mIRC: http://www.mirc.com/ (this one does expire after so many days, and suggests you register it, but it still allows you to use the client without restricting any options, after expiration)

IceChat: http://www.icechat.net/site/

XChat: http://www.silverex.org/download/

[KiaKat]

For Mac: http://colloquy.info/downloads.html

It works wonderfully, though it's a bit spare of features.

[garfalk]

i propose we merge this thread with the sticky.
not that anything i propose means anything

[Evandril]

I've got a question on the rules...Does this mean the people we have in chat who *don't* come here on a regular basis will be kicked from the room the first time they break a rule they know nothing about? And will people be told what they did wrong, or just get booted? Also, what will define 'respecting' others...We've all got far different ideas of what's acceptable and what's not. From the sound of the post (Not saying it's intentional, just how it sounded to me) was that if someone posts something 'wrong', they will suddenly find themselves kicked from the channel...Do mods in IRC not have a 'mute' command, where they can silence someone, without kicking them?

[asianmommy]

For Mac: http://www.chipersoft.com/minerva/

and to Evandril's question:
We're pretty fair. We'll give you warning to desist if you're doing something "wrong" and we will kind of know if you're never in there since we're there a lot.

[Evandril]

Might want to revise the rules to reflect that, the way they are written atm, it makes it sound like no slack will be given at all, nor warnings. Have we been having such problems in there to warrent the rules having such little leeway?

[Falconess]

I've got a question on the rules...Does this mean the people we have in chat who *don't* come here on a regular basis will be kicked from the room the first time they break a rule they know nothing about? And will people be told what they did wrong, or just get booted? Also, what will define 'respecting' others...We've all got far different ideas of what's acceptable and what's not. From the sound of the post (Not saying it's intentional, just how it sounded to me) was that if someone posts something 'wrong', they will suddenly find themselves kicked from the channel...Do mods in IRC not have a 'mute' command, where they can silence someone, without kicking them?

Evandril, not only are the rules posted in the topic line (with a disclaimer that says, "Read them because you are respsonsible for knowing them ), but when changes are made, they will be noted in the topic line as well. We are fair. We're not going to go kicking people for no reason, but ignorance is no excuse, when it's so clearly posted. This is your (everyone's) first warning, because it is the first thing you see, when you come into the room.

When someone is kicked, the are welcome to come back, if they are banned, they are not. Things will be handled on a case by case situation. The ops have a place where they can discuss things, without idle chatter mixed in.

As for "respect" if someone feels like they are being attacked, they need to say something in PM to an op, or in the open. If someone expresses that they are uncomfortable with the subject, or the way someone is treating them, then appropriate measures will be taken.

If anyone else feels someone else is being treated poorly, by another chatter, they are welcome to PM an op, or the person, about it. If the person they feel is being treated poorly doesn't see anything wrong, with what's going on, it should be dropped and let be. Each person does have their own deffinition of "respect" and as such, we must respect that definition and let it go.

Again, this will be handled on a case by case basis, and we are fair. The rules are strict for a reason. I do thank you for your questions and your concerns, and for voicing them. Others may have had the same, and I can see where some may have been concerned.

[Hellmark]

Evandril, tends to often be a bit best to be stricter on paper than in practice. Allows you a little more leeway, helps keep people in line better (if they believe they will get booted if they act up, they won't), but in cases where it is absolutely necessary you can take immediate action. Also, in reality, a kick really is not all that bad. It is kinda like getting your name written on the chalkboard in school, nothing really comes of it. Many ops I know of use a kick as the warning.

Still I Like the rules. Gets right to the point.

[Evandril]

Ok, it sounds like /kick isn't as bad a /kill (did the same thing in AOL, booted someone from the room) was...I'm used to someone being booted not being welcome back in the room for at least 30 min.

I just wanted to make sure people *would* get a warning their behavior was unacceptable before getting booted, on the first rule at least. What one person conciders acceptable and amusing...Others will find offensive. If they are asked to stop, and don't...Yep, 'tis time for them to become airbore...But I did want that one verbal warning there as well.

[Lithanial]

so how long till someone registers a complaint about the lack of smoochy make outs? ;)

[Falconess]

Has already happened, dear Bishy. Maybe you should come in and remedy this...the complaints, that is

[Lithanial]

allmost everytime i go on IRC the rooms dead,

time zones and all that :cry:

id be more likely to remedy the lack of smoochy make outs though.

[Falconess]

pfft not hardly. I'm usually in there about 40min after the post time of this post, for about an hour, if you wanted to pop in, around then. Also, I believe Hellmark is in there quite a bit now (don't know how much he pays attention though). Can't really think of anyone else. And hey, there's always the weekends. So no excuses, get that Bishy arse in there! *laughs*

[Lithanial]

you'll only perv over my fantastic arse if i do :P

[Falconess]

I'm sorry, I was unaware that was a bad thing *laughs*

[Lithanial]

never said it was bad. just stating the facts ma'am :jbangel:

though you'll have to forgive me if i return the favour ;)

[Falconess]

That's fine. Though I just remembered I'm going to be a bit late, I forgot I'd swapped lunches with someone. I can't remember what time I go today. However, the rest of the week, I will be in at the previously mentioned time

[MNsane]

i'm in the mIRC DP room now (8/18/08 9:58 PM CST) and i'm all alone & contemplating mischief

[Falconess]

Which server are you on? And are you in #Devil'sPanties ?

[MNsane]

Which server are you on? And are you in #Devil'sPanties ?

now i am

[Hellmark]

Evandril, yeah, a kick really isn't bad. You can technically rejoin a channel instantly after being kicked. Whether or not people want you to is another story entirely. Only way to prevent people from entering is a ban, which can be temporary or permanent when set.

[Leffy]

there's various levels of severity in the bootage.
when you are kicked:
this is a temporary removal from the chat room. return is typically dependent upon how long it takes you to attempt to join again. usually this is used as a warning. though on some servers this is also used as a form of comedy since the ops can kick you with a message.... but thats usually something done between friends and if occuring should only be in and received in a humorous friendly manner. if occuring repeatedly merely from op abuse it is indeed something you should notify all ops about.

when you are banned:
this is past warning. return is dependent entirely upon the ops' decisions based entirely upon the severity of your boo-boo. bans can be modified so that they last within a specified time frame, even if the op the made the ban isn't online. if a time frame is specified the servers scripting keeps track of the time you were banned.

when you are permanently banned:
same deal as a normal banning only..... you ROYALLY fooked up. the ban is non-reversable except by the ops and even then this will be done only when it was something so really severe...... we don't even want to remember to bring you back and will likely party like heathens upon the ashes of your IRC remains.

as falconess and AM have pointed out the ops are fair. they will accept complaints and inquiries about why any one of these particular steps were taken. but .... well if one of those two for sure did it..... i'm fairly sure it was in good reason, though i'm of the understanding anything past a kick will be discussed among all the ops for a definitive yea or nea on the fairness of the initial judgement.

[Falconess]

Indeed, Leffy. Anything past a kick will be discussed amongst the ops. If the offending party (aka the person kicked) continues to cause trouble in the room, after being kicked, a temporary ban is acceptable, until such a time as ops can dicuss the matter. Full logs will be shared amongst the ops, to further ensure fairness. No "He said she said."

[Seolta]

Possible solution to the "people not from the forum won't see the rules posted on the forum" issue...

I've noticed there's a (presumably)changeable/programmable welcome message when one enters the room, much like we used to have on MSN's public chats, which I used to mod one of. In said chat, we had a standard "put this up when you open the room" greeting message, which welcomed newcomers and included a link to the community page. Could you do something similar with including a link to the rules post in the greeting/topic message? Maybe something like "Welcome to the Devil's Panties IRC room! Please check your sanity at the door, and be sure to read through the rules for chatting at http://www.devilspanties.com/forums/showpost.php?p=49298&postcount=1 "

Alternately, maybe you could program AngelDevil to pm people entering the room with either just the rules, or the aforementioned greeting message?

[Falconess]

Was the first thing I did Seolta ;) Thank you though, for the suggestion. It actually says, "It's not satanic porn, honest! Rules: http://www.devilspanties.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1738 Read them, you are responsible for knowing and following them"

However, I seem to run into the snag of people not reading the topic, when they come in. I have thought of programming Angel`Devil. That will be my next step, after the move, as I'm actually not supposed to be here this weekend.

[Akuma]

IRC srs bzns

[sableagle]

Stickam, for instance, does auto-ban for one hour so a kick comes with a free 1-hr timeout from that channel.

IRC doesn't do that. A lot of bot scripts used to watch for auto-rejoins.

There isn't a "mute" function afaik, but you can /mode #devil'spanties +mvvv Evandril Sableagle Hellmark to make it "moderated" and give us three "voice", allowing us to talk in the channel without being ops. It's a useful tool for debates, because you can have an op unvoicing one speaker and voicing the next as a formal debate or for "questions from the audience".

[Leffy]

there is too much temptation in that feature....

my last irc home we picked on the baby of our chatters frequently by telling him he alone had been muted, while messaging all the chatters to "ignore" anything he said. its amazing what people say when they think no one can read it.

theres also another command that allows a chatter to watch and follow along with chat but... nothing he types impacts his chat experience at all. except like /quit. but that command is a server op toy. no messages no name changes nada

THAT one is funny to randomly place on someone and watch them mid flip out when they don't realize it was was taken off. then put it back on when they suddenly realize that rant worked.

of course none of our ops would do these things. except in fun. with people that realize its in fun. we really won't torture out bad little boys and girls.

no matter how great the temptation ;)

[Falconess]

Stickam, for instance, does auto-ban for one hour so a kick comes with a free 1-hr timeout from that channel.

IRC doesn't do that. A lot of bot scripts used to watch for auto-rejoins.



Actually Angel can be set up to do a ban for only an hour, and after an hour she'd release it. The voice/unvoice feature is nice for arguments, but only gets used when there is no other way of calming the channel down.

Leffy, more than a few times I've wanted to "play" with those features *laughs* But you're right, we wouldn't use those at all.

[Leffy]

hrmmm maybe have an op-war in our own room? *perks* lmao. actually the last time i did that was fun. just.... can't find my fun command list... like the one that changed your personal server name (not the one your on, like your mask or some other name that escapes me)

took one guy forever to realize he was "Bubba on His Momma's Backdoor". like three months.....

i do miss some of the stupid kiddy stunts from my old "home"