A new twist on the age old question...

[Jurgen]

Right we've had the good old vanilla Ninjas v Pirates, we've had Wenches V Kunoichi I think it's time for round 3. Special abilities:

Zombie Ninjas Vs Robot Pirates.

[Lithanial]

robots are high maintenence and would rust like mad on the high seas, zombies are eternal.

[Jurgen]

That's 2 votes for ninjas I take it then?

[Lithanial]

Aye, as much as i detest zombies. i HATE zombie flicks, most horror is laughable for me but something about zombies creeps me out insanely.

[DarkPirateShea]

Somehow I don't think zombies would make very effective ninjas....

[Sehson]

sure they would I mean common look at all the zombie movies...

Zombies just shamble around but you can never get away from them once they found you no matter how fast you run... I'd say thats a ninja power.

Zombies can get into anywhere...

And well some zombies do use weapons and what not... but you have to watch chinese flicks for those zombies.

[Jurgen]

You've never encountered such a thing as a Lich, or a higher undead have you my dear?

[Lithanial]

not all zombies shamble. but a zombie ninja would be terribly effective. it can stay in hiding indefinetly without making a noise, it has the unholy strength born of the undead and would make for a vicious weapon of terror by not only assassinating someone but eating them too.

also it could infect others in tough missions to create lesser zombies as a distraction.

[DarkPirateShea]

All the zombies I've killed have just been your standard undead.
There have been a few of the faster ones, "Resident Evil" style, if you will, but I'm not entirely sure what you are referring to...

[Jurgen]

Your basic "Brains" zombie is very much the lesser undead, if you go up the chain and have a more skilled Necromancer you get a stronger, smarter, more powerful zombie.

[sableagle]

This depends on whether they're old-fashioned pirates or modern ones. Specifically it depends on whether they have RPGs (or quad damage and the double-barrelled shotgun, at close quarters).

"Thou canst not kill that which doth not possess the force of life. However, you can blow it into little chunky kibbles." - Quake manual.

A lich is a rather different matter. It'd fireball the pirate ship and possess the zombies, then take over half the country and I'd have to drag on all that ruddy Daedric stuff again and dig some holy avenger something out of the toybox and go and get rid of it. After all the expenses, those missions don't even pay off the mortgage. You've got to loot the thing's treasury too to make any sort of profit.

[Jurgen]

Which is never worth doing in the end. You can make your chosen side as powerful and advanced as you like but try to remember that as much as you can upgrade one you can upgrade the other.

[Kuseru]

Since it would be robot ninja vs zombie pirates, I can't vote for either zombie ninja or robot pirates.

[sableagle]

The Magical Figurine of an Archon turns into an Archon!

The Archon summons an Archangel.

The Archon summons a Cherub.
The Archangel summons a Seraph.

The Archon summons a Seraph.
The Cherub summons a Young Gold Dragon.
The Seraph summons an Archangel.

The Archon smites the vampire.
The Archangel casts a fire bolt at the Coalesced Mass Grave.
The Cherub hits the zombie.
The Seraph summons a Cherub.
The Young Gold Dragon obliterates the Wraith.
The Archangel summons an Archon.

Yeah, been there, too. Arena levels have their issues. Black Ooze in an arena level is a mess, too. Black Ooze breeds to fill the space available. If you leave doors open and disturb a Black Ooze while exploring a labyrinth you can find yourself in the wrong part of a labyrinth full of Black Ooze.

Going back to Letters of Marque and privateers and so on, could a nation with a Paladin-King have Holy Pirates? That could be kind of fun.

Cutlass (Holy Avenger)
Eyepatch of Resist Temptation
Bandana of Divine Guidance
Stripy shirt of Protection From Evil
Holy Firewater
Set Of Charts of Detect Evil
Bowchaser Cannon of Slay Undead
Stern Cannon of Repel Undead

Holy Rum instead of Holy Water? You could use it as a Godsfirebomb.

Anywhere they bury a treasure chest becomes hallowed ground.

[Seolta]

Somehow I don't think zombies would make very effective ninjas....


Agreed. Even without issues of sneakiness and speed, the scent of rotting flesh would likely give 'em away.

As for the robot pirates, are we talking fully cybernetic, or cyborg? At the current level of robotics, no way...but with enough advances to allow for effective movement and reasoning, I don't see why not. And as far as rusting goes, there're metals that don't rust, though saltwater does tend to corrode lots of things...

[Mike Taylor]

Robot Pirates All The WAY!

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[Travellar]

I cannot answer as this question is flawed.

Pirates are never robots, although they are on occasion undead.
Ninjas are never zombies (other types of undead apparently are possible), but they are on occasion robots.

Now, given the proper choices, I'd have to go with Zombie Pirates. Robot Ninjas tend to be almost useless if there are mutants in the sewers.

[Plunder Down-Under]

Zombies = NOT upper class undead, so that argument doesnt apply.
Robots well since i was pessemistic with zombies might as well say its current robotics so baisically The zombies would ignore the robots as they arent edible and the robots might dance or something but cant do anything complex.

If it was best possible undead vs best possible robot, I'd have to go with robot. The pirate/ninja aspect is hardly an issue in the debate.

Whoever wins, we all lose.

[sableagle]

If it was best possible undead vs best possible robot, I'd have to go with robot.Ancient Lich Lord versus what, exactly?

[Mike Taylor]

Ancient Lich Lord versus what, exactly?

A Berserker. Not many things can match a planet-sized robot with the mission directives and firepower to wipe an entire solar system free of life.

[Plunder Down-Under]

World destroying robot like in Mikes pic's or something from I-Robot, i doubt a fireball or death magic would have any effect. Baisically robots are much harder to break than a lich and can be upgraded much further.

[Lithanial]

but a lich could raise zombie kittens...and we all know when that day comes they will rule the world!

[Plunder Down-Under]

Robot would rip apart any zombie easy

[Lithanial]

nah, they are all programmed otherwise; damn zombie hackers.

[Plunder Down-Under]

Ah but the robots predictably act against how they've been programmed and cause an apocalyptic rebellion against.. everyone i suppose

[sableagle]

If we're going extra-terrestrial and calling a spaceship a robot I'm claiming the The Thing / zombie crossover, The Flood, as the obvious opposition ... and for this fight, they've got themselves an entire Covenant armada.

[Farler]

I agree with plunder liches aren't zombies. Ussually they are necromancer's who have crossed over. Zombies are risen unwilling corpses.

Now the question is faceted right now and we need to narrow it down.

Is it which is better?
Which could rule the world?
Which would win in a fight?

better is a matter of opinion and has no logical basis.

rule the world it's zombies everytime, for one thing there's the matter of the infection but the most important part is that pirates do not rule a planet. They are thieves and traders they need to be able to steal and trade. A country perhaps but never the whole she bang.

And as to who would win in a fight, robot pirate every time. Firstly they aren't a target of the zombies to begin with, because even if they retain ninja skills from their life they are still essentially zombies and zombies are only concerned with feeding. You cannot feed on a robot. Now when the robots start attacking the zombies will swarm, but they can't bite through metal, and even if they do still have ninja weapons they can't CUT through steel either and they wouldn't be precise enough anymore to find the joints.

[Farler]

Going back to Letters of Marque and privateers and so on, could a nation with a Paladin-King have Holy Pirates? That could be kind of fun.


Oh and going back to this, yes, yes they can. Look at my icon, it's the crusader skull, clearly could be used as a holy jolly roger. As long as they did what provateers are SUPPOSED to do, and followed a code of honour and only attacked vessels from certain unholy nations. Then yes, that would fall in well with a paladin-king.

We aren;t stealing we are seizing tainted materials and stopping the flow of evil into our country.

[Mike Taylor]

If we're going extra-terrestrial and calling a spaceship a robot I'm claiming the The Thing / zombie crossover, The Flood, as the obvious opposition ... and for this fight, they've got themselves an entire Covenant armada.

Hmmm... Berserker versus Flood-infested Covenant armada... for once, I feel sorry for The Flood. I envision something like... this (http://www.berserkerfan.org/pictures/Baen%20Berserker%20cover.jpg).

That's a small one.

[sableagle]

I feel sorry for The Flood.Ah pity the Floo'!

NEVER pity the Flood.

[Travellar]

keeping this a bit more grounded, how about the Cyberdyne mainframe versus that Liche?

[sableagle]

Hmmm. I rather suspect a Lich could do enough elemental damage to take down the control circuits, at least temporarily. Hack the robots, no, but mess them up yes. Lightning storms ... actually there was a lot of that in the second film, so maybe they're protected against that to some extent, but acid storm? Chain lightning into a building full of computers has to be bad.

One more note on the Berserker: there's in-game history of one being defeated and destroyed. There's no in-game history of the Flood being eliminated.

[Plunder Down-Under]

If a robot can survive space travel it should be able to survive corrosive environments and lightning, in my humble opinion.

[Seolta]

If a robot can survive space travel it should be able to survive corrosive environments and lightning, in my humble opinion.


Not necessarily...being able to exist/move in a vacuum doesn't necessarily mean it isn't subject to damage from things like acid...and sable said "elements"...so that could include things like uranium, hydrogen, plutonium, etc.

[Plunder Down-Under]

True I am relying on forethought and senseical design... so the robot will prolly just explode at the sight of the lich..

[Travellar]

Cyberdyne's likely to send terminators back in time to before the Liche did his transformation, and/or use that knowledge to locate and destroy the phylan... uh... liche soul jar thingy.

Also, Since Cyberdyne was built by the US Government to run the defense grid, it's probrably in a heavily fortified location that the Liche may not be able to simply walk into to cast chain lightning or an indoor rainstorm. acid or otherwise.

[sableagle]

What if it's a demilich, halfway from lich to something a lot like a ringwraith? Heck, how about a ringwraith?

*dakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadaka*

Does ... not ... compute ...

*dakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadaka*

Really ... does ... not ... compute ...

*dakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadakadaka*

ERROR: unit is ... communicating ... like Shatner ...

*self-destruct*

[Kuseru]

Cyberdyne's likely to send terminators back in time to before the Liche did his transformation, and/or use that knowledge to locate and destroy the phylan... uh... liche soul jar thingy.

[SNIP]
Phylactery. (Not that I don't have to look it up myself.)

[sableagle]

Yay! Dark Sorceror's Phylactery!

I've got one of them, but never used it.

It wasn't really mine. Someone else swiped it and gave it to me.

[Mike Taylor]

Going back to Letters of Marque and privateers and so on, could a nation with a Paladin-King have Holy Pirates? That could be kind of fun.

Cutlass (Holy Avenger)
Eyepatch of Resist Temptation
Bandana of Divine Guidance
Stripy shirt of Protection From Evil
Holy Firewater
Set Of Charts of Detect Evil
Bowchaser Cannon of Slay Undead
Stern Cannon of Repel Undead

Holy Rum instead of Holy Water? You could use it as a Godsfirebomb.

Anywhere they bury a treasure chest becomes hallowed ground.

Hmmm... you know, with a little bit of work, this could be a plausible and FUN campaign idea. Taken as is, it could be a light-hearted campaign, especially if said holy pirates actually refer to such items by those names. Or it could be played a bit straighter and darker, with the holy pirates actually being a splinter faction of a faith whose leadership has gotten thoroughly corrupt. Said pirates could be trying to restore the good name of the faith.